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Controllable Pitch Propeller
A dream come true.

Why Controllable Pitch Propeller?

The benefits of controllable pitch propellers (CPP) specifically for a sailing/cursing/workboat are remarkable.

* The props speed vs. power can be adjusted according to varying cargo loads.
* Drag can be reduced or increased to meet the sailing conditions.
* Prop walk can be reduced or made to push in either direction.
* Individual blades can be replaced.
* Save fuel motorsailing because you can pitch the blades to account for the sails power.

Typically, the drop in propeller efficiency owing to the larger boss (prop hub) size of a controllable pitch propeller is about 2 percent. However, if a controllable-pitch propeller is well designed and correctly operated, it can result in fuel savings of up to 15 percent compared with a fixed-pitch propeller operating in a nozzle. --www.fao.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But at What Cost?

The BIG down side to a controllable pitch prop is the cost. Hundested; www.hundestedpropeller.dk, is renown for some of the best controllable pitch props so got a quote from McGowan Marine Inc. 1-508 990-1114  stevegow@aol.com, on a new system for a 74ft motor sailor is $66,913 plus shipping. Needless to say I stopped thinking about a new Hundested CPP system.

But Paul Liebenberg had two of the darn things, port and starboard, sitting in Comox on Vancouver Island.  The problems was that Comox is 2300 miles from Tulsa Oklahoma, and the units had a vague history and no blades.  So we started by pricing replacement blades from Hundested, which by the way is on a much smaller island off the coast of Denmark.  A set of blades was close to $10,000. So we started looking into casting our own blades and once we figured that was doable we set off for Comox for the starboard side shaft and controller that was priced appropriate for the risk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our unit is a VP-3 FR-H and it must be 15 years old, but it turns out Hundersted still has parts sitting on the self.  And that is a good thing because it turns out that we are missing the distributor ring that cost a tidy $2,200 dollars.  Ouch!  ...and no, they will not give us the plans.   Then after we provided measurements for the muff on which the distributor ring rides we were told it was too warn and a new one would coast another $1,200.  And no, they would not provide the tolerances.

Used Hundested VP-3 FR-H Teardown

The weather is getting colder so we moved the Hundested inside and starting taking it apart and cleaning it up.

Unfortunately we discovered that their is a collar for the hydraulic system missing from the controller. The real name from this is the distributor ring.

For support for Hundested you can actually call Mogens Christensen in Denmark who now owns the Hundested company.  Or you can call Joel with Pacific Marine Equipment Sales in Seattle at 1-206 281 9841 .  I've spoken to both, and both are very helpful, but Joel  understands my Oki accent better. :)

Hundested VP-3 FR-H Rebuild


#2 is the missing "Distributor Ring"

Guess what Hundested?  I got a free lathe!

The first obvious problem is the missing distributor ring, which provides hydraulic oil pressure to the rotating muff.  The ring connects with the actuator control arm that shifts the ring forward or backwards so that it provides oil to either one side or the other of the piston which in turn moves the center control rod that rotates the blades.

So just buy one right?  Take a deep breath - $2,200    And the folks at Pacific Marine Equipment Sales and Hundested were smart enough to ask that the muff which the ring mounts over be measured.  Guess what?  Yup, it must have already been machined down, because while it's fairly uniform from 4.0111 to 4.0124", it's too small. A new one is $1,161.

So, we must buy a new distributor ring and muff for $3.5 grand, or buy a distributor ring and flame spray some metal back onto the muff and machine it to the proper size $2.5 grand, or we build a new distributor ring and put the money into a good lathe, $3 grand and I end up with a free lathe.  Hmmmm....  Guess what Hundested?  We got a lath that will pay for itself with he first part.

 


 

 

 

DIY Propeller Blades


Our first Hundested propeller blade.

Our used Hundested VP3 came without any blades. A new set cost about $8,000 and we wanted a spare set too. $16,000 is a huge pile of motivation for me and with some successful aluminum casting under my belt I decided to try it myself.  This part of the project is all about pattern making, furnaces and casting and if that stokes your fire, you can read all about it here: Casting Boat Propellers


A lathe at Hundested machining a blade.

Once the blades are cast they still need to be machined to fit the hub.  Hundested of course has a big lathe that can swing these parts.  We would need a lathe with a 16 inch swing over the deck so our 12 x 36" Grizzly lathe is too small.  But there is always more than one way to skin a cat.

 

 

Hundested V-3 FR-H Documentation

Manufacture Number: 4574

Hydraulic pump maximum 19 inches above shaft.
Return line: 1.5"  Pressure Line: .5"
Flow rate: 4 to 6.5 gallons / minute
Normal pressure: 70 to 140 psi
Relief pressure: 20 bar, 290 psi
Use 350 psi hydraulic pressure gauge on console.
Maximum hydraulic oil temperature 122 to 149 F.
Replace after 2000 hours or 2 years.
Hub material is magnesium bronze.
Hub and internal shaft uses water soluble.
Fill bolt holes with hard tallow, or machinable wax.
Use long cutlass bearing.
Shaft diameter: 65 mm
Propeller shaft to controller shaft alignment: .03 to .05 over 9.75"  

Hydraulic oil degrees englar (E): 2 - 4
    Mobil DTE light or DTE 24
    Shell Turbo T32 or Tellus Plus 32
    Texaco Regal R&O 32 or Rando HD 32
    Conoco Hydroclear R&O 32 or Hydroclear AW 32

Hydraulic Supply

Cummins Power Steering Pump: Zahnradfabrik Friedrichshafen Type 76749?4150

Parker Cartridge Valves and Bodies from Aberdine Dynamics, Tulsa OK. 918 437 8000,  Johnny Tyler
Parker Cartridge Specifications

Parker: Pilot Operated Pressure Reducing Valve
Primary Bypass - Adjust to open at 290 psi and supply other equipment or dump back to Hundersted controller.
This simulates an autotive steering system that dumps excess when the wheels are not being turned.
PRH082S10 $52.00 Pilot Operated Pressure Reducing Valve: 100 - 1000 psi, 8 gpm, 80 psi drop. Max 200F, Cartridge 3-port B08-3-A6T $27.50 3 port aluminum body for cartridge B08-3-A6T 3/8"

Parker: Pilot Operated Relief Valve
Regulates pressure suppled to controller to 290 psi, when the controller is not using the supply the primary bypass will open
dump the excess pressure and flow.
RAH081S20 $48.50 Pilot Operated Relief Valve, 100 - 2000 psi
B08-2-A6T $19 Body 2-ports, 3/8" O-ring Port

Parts

Buna-N O-Rings Dash No: -233, -345, -435 and something about 1.5" OD out of the o-ring kit for the push rod.
Seals:
    CRI 60x85x10, HMS5 RG Seal
    NAT 62x85x8, 41/S
Bearings:
    Aft thrust bearing:  Koyo 6413 Radial
    Forward thrust bearing: Koyo 6315 Radial